Thanks peacefulpete
So this predates the bible's version of job by about a 1000 years, is that correct .
Touchofgrey
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Babylonian Job
by peacefulpete inthose new to ancient near east paleography may find it interesting that all cultures have struggled with the seeming injustice of suffering.
the story of job (persecuted/attacked) is one of a number of surviving poetic and prose tales with the theme of the innocent suffering despite entreaties to their gods.
this one often called "poem of the righteous sufferer" is sometimes referred to as the babylonian job.
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Why GB Distorts the Story of Job
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/lpwusxk8ckc?si=d4nb1ciwccql8dox.
a man, like new gb member jody jodele, dripping in wealth—$20,000 rolex, freemasonry ring, cushy life in upstate new york—pontificating about job’s suffering.
it’s a fair jab to question how someone so detached from hardship might approach a story of utter loss.
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Why GB Distorts the Story of Job
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/lpwusxk8ckc?si=d4nb1ciwccql8dox.
a man, like new gb member jody jodele, dripping in wealth—$20,000 rolex, freemasonry ring, cushy life in upstate new york—pontificating about job’s suffering.
it’s a fair jab to question how someone so detached from hardship might approach a story of utter loss.
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Touchofgrey
Can you provide archaeological and historical and external scholarly evidence that job was a real person and not just a mythical person and that the events took place in the time scale that the bible claims it did .
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Touchofgrey
Your personally free to shun anyone who you decide deserves to be cut out off your life.
But the issue as I understand it ,is when you try to influence others to shun the individual and encourage them to cut off association with the individual .
So when jws make a announcement saying touchofgrey is no longer a jws ,they are basically telling everyone who hears the announcement to shun them, that's when it could be considered a hate crime.
Which is probably why they are saying it's up to the individual to decide whether they will shun the individual or not ,but as usual they are speaking out of both sides of their mouth at the same time.
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Flee to the Mountains......What Mountains?
by liam inmay 2025 study article 21 seek the city that will remain.
what i remember was, when you see the romans, flee to the mountains.
now the wt is saying that's not enough.
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Touchofgrey
The consensus of biblical scholars is that the gospels were written around the time of and after the destruction of Jerusalem, mark around 70ce and Matthew and Luke about ten years later, so they are not books of prophecy ,so the unknown authors just recorded events that had already taken place.
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Just because Jehovah had to prove His Right To Rule? I don't think so!
by liam inwe get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
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Touchofgrey
today we are talking about those 3 measly so-called resurrections from nearly 2,000 years ago. I wish I had a $1 for everyone today that believes that those 3 events took place.
Can you please provide independently verified evidence that these things actually happen ,and that a miracle worker called jesus ever existed?
The four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events so not eyewitnes accounts.
Mark circa 70ce ,Matthew and Luke about 80ce and john about 15 to 20 years later. And even then there aren't any complete copies till the 3rd century.
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Just because Jehovah had to prove His Right To Rule? I don't think so!
by liam inwe get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
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Touchofgrey
The earth was not designed for life ,there have been 5 mass extinctions events in the history of the earth, last one some 65 million years ago, life is very lucky to be here and we should be thankful that we get to grow old because many do not.
Its the circle of life ,the earth and the sun will eventually grow old a die .we can't change that fact .
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The King of the North as you Never Heard ity Explained Before
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/w32nome-k20?si=a8bhxh5tjrkomgzq.
rather than seeing the king of the north as the final opponent of god’s people, i propose that daniel 11 points to a completely different figure.
while the watchtower society focuses on the struggle between these two kings, they overlook a third entity mentioned in verse 40, but let’s ready this verse first from the new world translation.
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Touchofgrey
Biblical scholars have Daniel written around 165 BCE so written after many of the events recorded so not a book of prophecy.
So it has no meaning for us today.
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Further Crisis looming for JW org re Safeguarding ?
by Phizzy inif you substitute j.w org for c of e this really hits home : (from bbc news site) :.
the church of england risks further crisis if it fails to adopt a sweeping new independent system to keep people safe, the former head of a national inquiry into child sexual abuse has said.
(prof. alexis jay).. "i think it's absolutely necessary because church safeguarding as it stands falls below the standards of secular organisations, and i do not think that can continue when it has also led to such serious weaknesses," she told the bbc..
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Touchofgrey
Self policing should not be a option for members of the churches and other organisations, they failed to protect the victims and by not reporting to the proper authorities and covering the abuse and denying that they knew anything should disqualify them. Staying in a religion or organisation that covered up the abuse is almost like giving tacit support .one of the reasons I could no longer remain a jw when I was made aware of the Australian royal commission.
Safeguarding officers should be truely independent and have no association with the organisations involved.
Why not make these religions and organisations fund the safeguarding officers .